Comments on: Putin and Kursk – Future of the Russian Navy http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy think free Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:20:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Sandi http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-182 Sandi Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:52:31 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-182 About 50 percent of the fleet’s submarine crews is now serving on contracts and making 23.000 RUB (620 EUR) per month. On surface vessels, the salaries are slightly lower, while they on land-based facilities amount to 13.000 RUB (350 EUR http://www.barentsobserver.com/northern-fleet-celebrates-anniversary.4487564-58932.html poka About 50 percent of the fleet’s submarine crews is now serving on contracts and making 23.000 RUB (620 EUR) per month. On surface vessels, the salaries are slightly lower, while they on land-based facilities amount to 13.000 RUB (350 EUR
http://www.barentsobserver.com/northern-fleet-celebrates-anniversary.4487564-58932.html
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]]> By: Sandi http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-181 Sandi Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:04:12 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-181 Yes I agree. But people can have equal rights also in a non democracy. I refer to the socialists states especially to Jugoslavija in my case! But regarding women also the SU. They were included and had their rights! For example in the 70' in Italy women generally didn't study at universities but in Jugoslavija they did! Yes but usually when we say democracy we refer also to this equal rights especially (also because of Taliban.. influence and last year events). If you refer to 19 century Russia I agree completely they were much behind equality standards! But if we intend democracy primary as right to choose and vote and express our ideas, opinions, critics, views and live in a society we believe in... then we have the right to be informed by free media. You have simply to decide rules and then respect them! I think it is a period of transition in Russia.. Because free media and democratic political competition should be their future it makes growing a society. But I repet: in my opinion ruling Russia is very very difficult so now they are doing just good also compared to the past! May be for the Kursk also the Russians don't know exactly what happened but it is not the main theme in your topic so it doesn't matter at all! Yes I agree. But people can have equal rights also in a non democracy. I refer to the socialists states especially to Jugoslavija in my case! But regarding women also the SU. They were included and had their rights! For example in the 70′ in Italy women generally didn’t study at universities but in Jugoslavija they did! Yes but usually when we say democracy we refer also to this equal rights especially (also because of Taliban.. influence and last year events). If you refer to 19 century Russia I agree completely they were much behind equality standards!
But if we intend democracy primary as right to choose and vote and express our ideas, opinions, critics, views and live in a society we believe in… then we have the right to be informed by free media. You have simply to decide rules and then respect them! I think it is a period of transition in Russia.. Because free media and democratic political competition should be their future it makes growing a society. But I repet: in my opinion ruling Russia is very very difficult so now they are doing just good also compared to the past!
May be for the Kursk also the Russians don’t know exactly what happened but it is not the main theme in your topic so it doesn’t matter at all!

]]> By: Tom Hashimoto (Author) http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-180 Tom Hashimoto (Author) Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:12:11 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-180 Thank you for your comments, my friend (see the two comments above written by Sandi). As far the cause of the Kursk incident, people in military (Russian, non-Russian) in general believe in a some kind of fuel explosion. Although, nothing in detail was revealed by the Russian Navy. When Kursk was brought up to the dry-dock, the Navy cut off the explosion hall in the sea, so that no one can closely observe it. Russian election and its democratic characteristics is another topic needed to be covered. Paople who have visited Russia in recent years often experienced Russia positively. On the other hand, media coverage within a democratic election is indispensable topic to determine Russian democracy. But think about this: the US took centuries to give a equal rights to women and people in color. Russia just started democracy some decades ago. What should democracy be is one question, but how far has a "democratic" society achieved is another. Thank you for your comments, my friend (see the two comments above written by Sandi).

As far the cause of the Kursk incident, people in military (Russian, non-Russian) in general believe in a some kind of fuel explosion. Although, nothing in detail was revealed by the Russian Navy. When Kursk was brought up to the dry-dock, the Navy cut off the explosion hall in the sea, so that no one can closely observe it.

Russian election and its democratic characteristics is another topic needed to be covered. Paople who have visited Russia in recent years often experienced Russia positively. On the other hand, media coverage within a democratic election is indispensable topic to determine Russian democracy. But think about this: the US took centuries to give a equal rights to women and people in color. Russia just started democracy some decades ago. What should democracy be is one question, but how far has a “democratic” society achieved is another.

]]> By: Sandi http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-179 Sandi Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:54:16 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-179 There were major fleet maneuvers this day something else happened. The Kursk was a 5 years old sub commissioned in 1995 and the crew was well trained and one of he best in Russian navy. They tested a new missile (skhval)? there was a collision?.. If you control the media you don't have major problems with the public opinion believe me! You can win elections with 70% when you have a 90% media coverage and the other candidates toogether less then 10%. http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/11/06.html if something goes wrong you can change results http://www.kommersant.com/p-12381/fraud_election_rigged/ Putin had internal Kremlin problems but he was successful in Cechenya and everything was Ok! It is typical for Russian and Soviet leaders to keep power for decades! Eltsin destroyed the economy but he remained in power and thanks to the media control and an incredible campaign backed by oligarchs..he was reelected! Russians haven't experienced many political crisis the revolution and the fall of the Soviet union. Two big crisis but this seems to be all in 90 years. May be it happenes behind the scenes! The Russian nuclear navy is an important deterrent weapon. The Russian strategic fleet includes 14 or less operational strategic missile submarines, whose missiles can carry 611 nuclear warheads. A sub on patrol is very difficult to track or destroy. But the Kursk is not a strategic missile submarine! I completely agree with you that Putin boosts his image using the Navy! May be he also likes the navy he has his personal sub.. He is from St.Petersburg so.. But I think taht Putin hasn't got responsibility for Kursk it is a military problem and incidents can happen, as president his hollidays are very negative but he learned from this! Keep power in Russia is not easy and he is doing quite good. Democracy is another question but they say that they are still in transition! At the end Putin will keep power for the next 20 years so he will not need to be remembered and many Russians whose live standards improoved hope this! There were major fleet maneuvers this day something else happened. The Kursk was a 5 years old sub commissioned in 1995 and the crew was well trained and one of he best in Russian navy. They tested a new missile (skhval)? there was a collision?..

If you control the media you don’t have major problems with the public opinion believe me! You can win elections with 70% when you have a 90% media coverage and the other candidates toogether less then 10%. http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/11/06.html
if something goes wrong you can change results
http://www.kommersant.com/p-12381/fraud_election_rigged/
Putin had internal Kremlin problems but he was successful in Cechenya and everything was Ok! It is typical for Russian and Soviet leaders to keep power for decades! Eltsin destroyed the economy but he remained in power and thanks to the media control and an incredible campaign backed by oligarchs..he was reelected! Russians haven’t experienced many political crisis the revolution and the fall of the Soviet union. Two big crisis but this seems to be all in 90 years. May be it happenes behind the scenes!
The Russian nuclear navy is an important deterrent weapon. The Russian strategic fleet includes 14 or less operational strategic missile submarines, whose missiles can carry 611 nuclear warheads. A sub on patrol is very difficult to track or destroy. But the Kursk is not a strategic missile submarine!
I completely agree with you that Putin boosts his image using the Navy! May be he also likes the navy he has his personal sub.. He is from St.Petersburg so.. But I think taht Putin hasn’t got responsibility for Kursk it is a military problem and incidents can happen, as president his hollidays are very negative but he learned from this!

Keep power in Russia is not easy and he is doing quite good. Democracy is another question but they say that they are still in transition! At the end Putin will keep power for the next 20 years so he will not need to be remembered and many Russians whose live standards improoved hope this!

]]> By: San. http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-178 San. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:50:12 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-178 About the Kursk incident nobody of the normal people knows what happened. A new missile (skhval) test, a collision with a foreign sub who was observing the maneuvers... The Kursk crew was one of the best in russian navy they performed a very successful mission in Mediteranian sea during Nato bombing on Serbia in 1999 and the sub was one of the neewest commisioned in 1995 so it was only 5 years old. Personally I think that your explanation is very logical but the Kursk sunked during a major fleet training and probably something happened! In the recent presidential elections in Russia the president and his successor had a 90% cover on the media. For the other candidates remained 10%. As you can see Medvedev won with 70%. The media control is the strongest weapon to control and move society. http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/11/06.html and if he wouldn't won you can manipulate the results http://www.kommersant.com/p-12381/fraud_election_rigged/ The russian and soviet leaders usualy experienced power without crisis with exception of the october revolution and Soviet union collapse. The leaders remained in power for decades! Eltsin destroied the russian economy but despite all he remained in power and was reelected thanks to a strong media manipulation and campaign. I am not surprised that Putin remaind in power, but in my opinion he had some internal "in Kremlin" problems! But he was successful in Cechenya and this helped him a lot! About the Kursk incident nobody of the normal people knows what happened. A new missile (skhval) test, a collision with a foreign sub who was observing the maneuvers… The Kursk crew was one of the best in russian navy they performed a very successful mission in Mediteranian sea during Nato bombing on Serbia in 1999 and the sub was one of the neewest commisioned in 1995 so it was only 5 years old. Personally I think that your explanation is very logical but the Kursk sunked during a major fleet training and probably something happened!
In the recent presidential elections in Russia the president and his successor had a 90% cover on the media. For the other candidates remained 10%. As you can see Medvedev won with 70%. The media control is the strongest weapon to control and move society.
http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/11/06.html
and if he wouldn’t won you can manipulate the results
http://www.kommersant.com/p-12381/fraud_election_rigged/
The russian and soviet leaders usualy experienced power without crisis with exception of the october revolution and Soviet union collapse. The leaders remained in power for decades! Eltsin destroied the russian economy but despite all he remained in power and was reelected thanks to a strong media manipulation and campaign. I am not surprised that Putin remaind in power, but in my opinion he had some internal “in Kremlin” problems! But he was successful in Cechenya and this helped him a lot!

]]> By: Tom Hashimoto (Author) http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-177 Tom Hashimoto (Author) Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:46:10 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-177 Mr. Cameron Sawyer from the World Association of International Studies, Stanford (http://wais.stanford.edu), who resides in Russia, has informed me that the current situation on the naval salary was much better than I was initially expecting. http://www.rg.ru/2008/01/22/reg-murman/moryaki.html According to this article, a nuclear submarine engineer earned about 27,000 rubles or about 1,200 USD in 2006. Sawyer gives me an estimate of about 4,000 USD for a slary of a submarine captin. It is still not as good as the American, but certainly not as bad as it used to be. Mr. Cameron Sawyer from the World Association of International Studies, Stanford (http://wais.stanford.edu), who resides in Russia, has informed me that the current situation on the naval salary was much better than I was initially expecting.

http://www.rg.ru/2008/01/22/reg-murman/moryaki.html

According to this article, a nuclear submarine engineer earned about 27,000 rubles or about 1,200 USD in 2006. Sawyer gives me an estimate of about 4,000 USD for a slary of a submarine captin.
It is still not as good as the American, but certainly not as bad as it used to be.

]]> By: Amir http://www.libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/comment-page-1#comment-176 Amir Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:38:04 +0000 http://libremagazine.com/articles/putin-and-kursk-future-of-the-russian-navy/#comment-176 Good article Tom. Russian politics has always facintated me, its got more twists and turns than many other. I was wondering though, if you could, may be in your next piece, shed some light on the strategic shift of the capital from St. Petersburg to Moscow. Having studied IR myself, that one aspect I never gave much thought to. Would be great reading your insight on that. Good article Tom. Russian politics has always facintated me, its got more twists and turns than many other.

I was wondering though, if you could, may be in your next piece, shed some light on the strategic shift of the capital from St. Petersburg to Moscow. Having studied IR myself, that one aspect I never gave much thought to. Would be great reading your insight on that.

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